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Hypnosis Lesson 9: The Mechanics of Hypnosis
  • There is a new lesson which I think is very important for everyone to learn or understand, newbie or 'experienced' alike (learning never ends):

    http://youthehypnotists.com/hypnosis-lesson-9-the-mechanics-of-hypnosis/

    Enjoy and Lets Discuss,

    Eternal Smiles,
    Leo Gopal
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  • @leogopal, thanks for this wonderful lessons. Actually it explains the most important principles that make the difference between beginners, and professional hypnotists who must have realized those principles somehow.

    I have two lessons pending and waiting for your approval @leogopal, I hope you and everybody like them.

    Thanks,
    Chris
  • @chris looking into them :) thanks for the comments :)
  • I strongly agree though there's a 7 step "mechanism" for successful show hypnosis.
    However these steps themselves are not mechanical, as you point out my 7 step method is a teaching model, all the mechanics can be put inplace which work for your.
    Raising expectation before the show (like we discussed) is an important factor, I use flyers I have my intro movie/music but someone else may like to have someone sing songs before he goes up to raise the expectation.

    I have had many discussions with "seasoned" hypnotists over the fact that there's no trance (not proven anyways) and that there is indeed no conscious subconscious; Believes I initially had too uptil the point that I started to study psychology. However these are perfect suggestions in their own right.

    Learning to get the best out of the situation (thinking on your feet) is what a good "hypnotist" aka "communicator" aka "showman" needs to do. Accept that there's no trance and you start to realize that inductions can't fail because all you need to do is model suggestions in their reality -- we do it all the time!
    When you stat to realize that a certain number of people is highly suggestible you know that you can select these people and always have succes.

    The most difficult thing with hypnosis is starting and selecting the best people for "you" to work with. The first times are horrible (mainly because I think that it shows your uncomfortable and doubting) then it becomes so easy and even when you find someone who doesn't do amnesia you should not be embarrassed turn it around by doing something else! A mere blame game like: That's alright maybe your not quite ready for that yet, that's alright we will get there. Is ideal, you don't hurt them and you don't hurt your precious ego.
    One tip from a seasoned performer, when an amnesia doesn't work first time I usually say: That's fine your just not ready enough, I was a bit too quick don't you think. Tell me how long it would take for you to forget your name when you simply close your eyes and see it fading away just tell me when your name is gone, or tell me how many SECONDS it will take for you we count them together in the safe knowledge that you will still know your name but simply for a small period can't say it...

    These are all "tricks" (often psychological) that you will only learn by performing regularly. These are things you can sum up in lessons but that's not what learning hypnosis is about! Learning hypnosis is about finding these things out for yourself; this is the truly hard part of hypnosis. Doing inductions, is the easy part!
  • I agree with @rdoetjes. and unfortunatly, some people son't know that the relation trance = hypnosis is not always true. trance is a state of mind that we go in and out of everyday, it's an intermediate state between sleep and the waking state and it exists. but hypnosis is bypassing the critical factor and establishing selective thinking. (definition given by dave elman) sometimes when hypnosis occurs, there is trance because the context allows it, but if you're doing covert hypnosis storytelling to influence someone, this person is in hypnosis, but is he in trance? maybe, maybe not, depending on the context. and about the conscious and unconscious mind, it is basically a simplification ,made and used mostly by psychologists, of very complicated neurological processes. i'm basically always up to date on the new scientific news especially the brain stuff, and i was reading a scientific magazine last week, and i read an article which is basically talking about how the ressearchers and neuro scientists haven't found yet the part of the brain or the nervous system which constitutes the unconscious mind. this prooves what leo talked about in the lesson.

    I hope that the beginners and experts benefit from this information.

    Chris
  • @Chris ironically "trance" has never been proven in anyway! Also scientists know that there's no devide between the conscious and subconscious. The cognitive psychologist and neurologist know already that what we call "subconscious" are certain patterns which have become automated (mere neurological connections). This process of creating patterns is very useful because it saves energy. Bear in mind that out brain is already very inefficient burning around 80-100watts an hour! When we would need to consciously think where each key on our keyboard is it would be consuming peek power continously. The problem is that due to repetition we can also create patterns which are "bad" for us. Nail biting is a mere pattern, same as fobias are instilled patterns.

    It's amazing that some events can be so profound that they actually partially destroy neurological path ways (actually the synapses will not work for some weird reason). This is currently still a mystery some scientists think that the "energy" travelling through those paths was too intense and basically friend the synapses involved. This is what the think causes post-traumatic stress. These neurological paths loose their "normal ability" (they are still there but function poorly). By therapy (basically rethinking things over and over again) new path ways are found around this "stricken" area.
    This is basically what therapy does a re-occuring method over and over again so that the old paths will be ignored.
  • @rdoetjes I love your stage stuff that you are posting here especially on performance which you would notice is a slight missing factor in our lessons, would you be interested in submitting a lesson in your name and capacity on the subject?

    @chris Spot on, the mind is so extremely profound we have yet to even scrape the surface of understanding it...
  • @rdoetjes, i agree about the neurological processes and connections bu I have to say that trance has actually been proved to exist and has been studied: in this state the brainwaves frequency starts to decrease from beta to somewhere between alpha and theta. And I did lots of researches on this subject and I actually have an experience with binaural beats. If you choose a frequency between alpha and theta like 7 hz for example, after a few minutes you will be in a trance or meditative state ( depending on many other factors). And study has shown that deeper this state is (the lower the brainwave frequency) the more positive benefits it has on the person, maybe that's why the brainwave entertainment market is so active.

    And some people think that depth of trance -that actually exists- is the depth of hypnosis when in fact, hypnosis is almost always independent from the trance state.

    Chris
  • Show me the research papers (nor from some pseudo-scientific magazine, no from the university itself)! Because in my ongoing studies as a cognitive psychologist I have not seen anything except that there's no proof for trance, that "trance" behaves identical to mere nervous system relaxation and the binaural beats is pseudo-scientific quakery!

    No my friend sorry to say that you live in a world of pseudo-science until I see some peer-reviewed scientific research papers.
  • @chris I understand where you are coming from and I have seen loads of trance 'research' that seem quite convincing etc. but as @rdoetjes said, trance can not actually be 'proved' firstly, what is the definition of trance?
  • @Leo correct there's no "consistent" definition. What neuro-scientists had define trance as (in order to find it) is a specific state that does not mimic any other neurological state previously defined, a state in which suggestibility is heightened.

    If trance==relaxation than we certainly have a "trance" state however we call it a relaxed state (my definition).
    At no point has been proven that in a "relaxed" state people are more suggestible.

    Proving Trance has become equal to prove God. We have no conclusive evidence of a God, so the default position there's no God because there's no tangible evidence. That doesn't mean that there really is no God except that there's no proof for it/him/her/whatever.

    I know for a fact that on the University of Toronto they are still experimenting with "measuring" a trance state, according to a definition posted in top of this message. The biggest problem they encounter is that the placebo effect (suggestibility of people) is actually disrupting proper scientific methods of testing.

    What Leo's lesson correctly suggests is that when you say to a person: "I am a hypnotist, I will be putting you into a relaxed state, which is actually a hypnotic state and I will mostly remove your sensation of pain" the person is already primed and social- and cognitive processes are already at work.

    When a person gets my flyer stating: "HypnoMentalist, He Tunes into Your Mind" bla bla bla I pre-condition these people into "stepping in to my realm". So the actual effect of "hypnosis" or "trance" is no longer provable correctly.
    After all you can't do a double blind test with hypnosis -- which in itself is reasonable prove that social- and cognitive processes are more important than "trance" or "hypnosis" itself.
  • I will try ro find some solid evidence, but i believe that trance is relaxation of the body, and decrease in the brainwave frequency (like when you are about to fall asleep) but it's not a state of suggestibility. its symptoms are body relaxation, and slowing down of mental activity and speed (not at the peak performance of the brain), because i feel like you're not understanding what i mean by trance. and actually the magazine that i read (It's from france, i'm actually french educated) is the #1 scientific magazine in Europe maybe in the world (between magazines written in french i think), and it's based on solid evidence and latest ressearch.

    Chris
  • A scientist is not going to investigate something (trance) which they know is identical to an exciting well research phenomenon.

    Je ne parlez Francais. And often "scientific magazines" have been re-authored to make them "easier" legible for none-scientists. Often this corrupts nuanced statements. Same with American Scientific *which I used to read and enjoyed reading.
  • Chris, if you look, you'll see that this is one ment is one that goes round and round. As Ray and I havhave discussed, I tend to believe in trance, not that it's necessarily a unique cognitive state, but that it is experiencially authentic. As to the scientific issue, I tend to think that there are a great many activities and experiences that may not have distinct neurological features of this sort. Not to mention that, even if trance does not actually exist as a neurological state, studies on meditation do show long term impact and changes within the brain structure, so even if there is not a distinct phenomenon, trance experiences can have real and profound impact on our neurons,

    Will

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